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Jo in veritatis inquisitione's avatar

I much appreciated your post. Thank you for having the courage to expose all of these athrocities perpetrated in the name of … God. The lapidation you get is no surprise as you are daring to question the mainstream discourse on war, power and money. NO war and killing will never be justifiable nor acceptable, from any nation

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Okay, I concede I endorsed the bonkers description – a reference to your post and not to you personally – and specifically to the part of your post which dredged up the age-old anti-Jew trope of these wicked, avaricious Jews intent on grasping financial control of the world – I’m sorry that upset you - although it’s hardly on the same level as calling a complete stranger a *&^%*ng troll! But never mind, I’m not offended (it might be you doing a bit of projection there?!) I was just slightly shocked because I had always got the impression from your other posts that you were eminently reasonable and impartial. However, I don’t know what’s happened in your life to make you so one-sided on this issue – to the extent of denying that the viewpoint which says Israel has a right to exist is even a viewpoint. So let me try and summarize my perspective and offer my view – I’ll try to be brief - Israel was established around 1000 BC & split into two in 920BC; the Northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian Empire in 720 (approx), and the Southern Kingdom of Judah, in 586 by the Babylonians, who laid waste the land, destroyed the Temple and carried off tens of thousands into captivity. Babylon, in its turn was crushed by the Persians, who allowed the Jewish exiles to return to their land in stages – between 536 and 445BC. The Romans were the next occupying force and under their rule the 2nd Temple was finally destroyed in 70AD, when approximately one million Jews were killed. The land was renamed Syria Palestina in 134 AD by the Emperor Hadrian – the reference to the ancient Philistines (no relation to present day Arab Palestinians) was done to spite the Jews and punish their persistent refusal to submit to Roman imperialism. Most of the Jewish people were sold into slavery or scattered across the world – only a tiny remnant were allowed to remain in their land – a fact which all subsequent adversaries consistently bewail and attempt to ‘rectify’ by the total eradication of the Jewish race (The Charter of Hamas is indeed 100% relevant to the situation). The first documented arrival of Jews in Britain was 1066 – the first ‘Blood Libel’ took place in 1144 and all Jews were expelled by Edward 1st in 1290. They were not permitted to return until 1656. The first major wave of Jewish immigration from Europe back to Israel began in 1881, in the wake of horrendous Russian pogroms against them. The Jerusalem Census of 1864 shows Jews and Christians as the majority population with Arabs in the minority (the modern day usage of ‘Palestinian’ to mean specifically the Arab inhabitants, only took hold in 1964 with the establishment of the PLO). In 1914 the Turkish Ottoman Empire, the reigning Middle Eastern power, expelled 11,000 Jews and oppressed thousands more. The Turks’ 440 year rule came to an end on 9th December 1917 when British and ANZAC forces captured Jerusalem – you know all about the Balfour Declaration, the Arab unrest, riots etc., etc., - in 1929 after dozens of Jews were brutally murdered in Hebron, the British authorities responded by evacuating all Jews and forbidding them to return. The White Paper of 1939 effectively annulled the Balfour Declaration, restricted further immigration and outlawed land sales to Jewish people altogether. The Holocaust, in which six million Jewish men, women and children were callously disposed of as so much garbage, was the catalyst for the United Nations to allow a mass return of Jews to their homeland. We all know the rest – I haven’t had time to read the links yet that you sent but I will – my point is, that the Jews have a right to a national home, Israel has a right to exist – to say otherwise is to continue the cruelty and inhumanity that has been directed against them since time immemorial. None of that is an excuse or an approval or an attempt to justify the atrocities of successive Israeli governments or the IDF – nothing can justify murder, rape or apartheid - on either side – returning evil for evil only doubles it – and a belief in the Jews historical right to Israel is not incompatible with an abhorrence of their methods. Yes, there are forces which use that unique and historical right as a cover for their own nefarious ends, yes, the selective reading of ancient texts to justify wickedness is appalling, but I can assure you that we’re arguing at cross purposes here if you think that’s what I’m doing.

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