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Rob (c137)'s avatar

The issue is that they forget that the rest of our body also thinks in it's own way. Our gut is like a second brain and body has it's own thinking.

Consciousness is the result of the complexity of those networks working together in order to facilitate movement, which is what we evolved consciousness to manage.

The brain serves the body, not the other way around.

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Mike Zimmer's avatar

Consciousness really is a hard problem. Animal consciousness is just as hard. AI consciousness? Even harder. Thinking without consciousness - is it possible? Dunno. Neither does anyone else. I used to be a mind-body identity proponent. Now? Not at all sure. LLM AI intelligent? Not currently - actually quite often in error, and the output is predicted on erroneous input, biased curation and biased training. How it works is a mystery, but it is clear that it draws on a database full of mistakes and contradictions. That it works to provide seemingly intelligent output is totally counter-intuitive. It is a Von Neumann machine, an algorithm, with some pseudo-random components. When you work with it a lot, you realize that it often spews bullshit, more often superficialities and many generalities. I have not used the latest and greatest tools, but they will have the same limitations in terms of input correctness, biased curation, and biased training. The bias is really very damaging - it is like propaganda. Since the output is so grammatical, people will trust it when they should not. I routinely use it, but then give up in disgust at the shallow and often confablated answers I receive. Artifical intelligence? Artificial? Yes. Intelligent? No. Just a very odd database retrieval engine in many respects. GIGO.

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